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Ed Stetzer & David Fitch – a missional conversation from Missional Tribe on Vimeo


From Missional Tribe:

Shot in Chicago in November of ‘08, Part One of this 45 minute conversation features Ed Stetzer and Dave Fitch discussing what they each mean by the term “missional”. They also spend some time discussing attractional vs missional – and whether missional church, as it seems to be presently framed is “interested in converts.”

A very good conversation between two PhD’s, who are also church planters, teachers, authors and missional instigators in their own right.

This video was produced by Toronto’s mkpl.tv – Producer, Imbi Medri. Director/Editor, Bill Kinnon. It is made available under a Creative Commons License – Attribution – No Derivative Works. Copyright Holders: Medri Kinnon Productions Limited, Ed Stetzer, David Fitch.


1. Ed Stetzer – edstetzer.com

Ed Stetzer, President of Lifeway Research, Lifeway’s Missiologist in Residence, on the faculty of Trinity Evangelical Divinity School and Southern Seminary, prolific author and blogger, multiple church planter and ministry trainer, is my #1 missional blog of the year.

So I’m a little biased here, but as many of you know, I’ve had the special privilege to work under Ed through my master’s level work at Liberty Theological Seminary this fall/winter. I’ve witnessed first hand his heart to help and serve people at all levels of ministry understand the missional conversation and practically move them towards it. And this heart for mission, the church and God’s people shines through on his blog.

Check these:
The Meanings of Missional series
Speaking of Jesus and Justice
Simply Missional
When the Mission Gets Lost in the System
Missional Living

Top 8 Recap
8. J.R. Woodward | 7. Jonathan Dodson | 6. Neil Cole | 5. Drew Goodmanson | 4. Bob Hyatt | 3. Alan Hirsch | 2. David Fitch


Some of you may remember that back in August, Ed was invited to record a television program for the Assemblies of God. Those videos are now live and re-posted here from edstetzer.com. Enjoy…



As many of you know, Thursday and Friday of this week, I had the privilege to hang with Ed Stetzer at a conference for Mississippi Baptists @ Camp Garaywa in Clinton, MS, just outside of Jackson.

This was, in part, an ‘intensive’ to launch my directed studies in missiology with Ed through Liberty Theological Seminary. I had a great time, learned a bunch, and got a big head start on my first paper re: modern missions history.

Instead of a play-by-play of each of the five sessions Ed keynoted, I thought I’d combine the larger talking points into one post – particularly those on the missional church. Enjoy…

*God is a sender by nature
*Missional means to live sent: a sent church and a sent Christian
*God uses the church to make known the manifold wisdom of Himself
*Missional does not necessarily mean contemporary
*Lack of ‘sentness’ deforms/disfigures the nature of the Gospel
*Sentness causes us not to transcend, but to recognize and engage culture
*Gospel becomes reduced to “only come” when it’s not missional
*We’ve created an artificial three-tier approach to ministry: 1) lay person, 2) professional minster, and 3) missionary
*We have lost mission to: 1) ‘clergification’, 2) cultural wars, and 3) buildings
*We’ve created the very system we loathe – an unhealthy clergy co-dependence
*We have to give ministry + mission back to the people God empowered for the ministry + mission
*Forms have driven church rather than missions
*Most churches tend to reflect old culture – those successful in last paradigm has the most difficulty in current paradigm
*A church that is incarnational is interested more in the harvest than in the barn
*Are we going to be protectors of common subcultures or missionaries?
*Irony of our subcultures: we should look similar and live differently than the world – we have looked different and lived the same
*Evangelism is sharing the Gospel – missions is understanding people before we speak with them
*What is the mission? Great commandment/commission – to serve [Luke 4:18-19] and to save [Luke 19:10]
*Missiology: what focus + strategies should we use to most effectively expand the kingdom where we are sent
*The missional church is a biblically faithful, culturally relevant, and countercultural community for the Kingdom of God


As many of you know, I am pursuing a Master of Arts in Theological Studies from Liberty Theological Seminary. I’m a little over halfway done and since I’ve gotten most of my required courses done, I am now entering the elective zone.

With the MA in TS @ LTS [whoa, acronym overload], you have mucho freedom to ‘create’ your particular emphasis, i.e. preaching, Biblical languages, youth, etc. I had planned on pursuing an emphasis on Christian Leadership beginning this fall, but God interrupted that plan last week with a providential opportunity.

If you’ve been following relevintage.com the last couple of years, you may have probably noticed a shift in the content. Although my passion remains for reconstructing what highly engaging and contextual worship looks like in the 21st century, I have been writing – as well as reposting others thoughts – on the larger Christological issue that worship fits within:

1) the ‘all of life’ ‘in the world, not of the world’ ‘missionary’ posture of the people of God towards an unbelieving world

and

2) how to refocus the energies of the local church to truly grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ and extend the Kingdom of God.

See an overview of my thoughts on the missional church in my blog series here: The Sent Church: A Missional People

In short, I’m talking about 21st-century missiology here. And when you talk about missiology in North America, you can’t have the conversation without talking about one of the most respected missiologists in the field, Dr. Ed Stetzer. Ed is the President of Lifeway Research and Missiologist-in-Residence @ Lifeway.

I’ve been following Ed since 2006 when I first heard him speak at a Resurgence conference @ Mars Hill in Seattle. I’ve read most of his books. And was deeply moved by the speech he gave at the 2007 SBC annual meeting [watch clip here.]

Of course, his primary job is only the tip of the iceberg. Ed is a prolific author [Compelled By Love, Breaking the Missional Code, Planting Missional Churches], visiting Professor of Research and Missiology at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, Visiting Research Professor at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, serves on the Church Services Team at the International Mission Board, is interim teaching pastor of First Baptist Church of Hendersonville, TN, is a columnist for Outreach Magazine and Catalyst Monthly, serves on the advisory council of Sermon Central and Christianity Today’s Building Church Leadership, and has planted and revitalized many churches.

Last Wednesday, I had the privilege to connect with Ed re: my master’s work and share with him my passion for missiology in the 21st century.

After much conversation with Ed, I couldn’t be more excited to share that he has graciously agreed to do two directed studies in missiology with me this fall!

One directed study will be focused on modern missions history, particularly the conciliar missions movement and the development of Missio Dei. The second directed study will be focused on modern missional theology, particularly missional church influences on contemporary missional thinkers. Both classes will comprise of reading, research, writing, and mentoring.

Also, as a part of my directed studies with Ed, he has invited me to travel with him this week to take part in a conference he is doing for the Mississippi Baptist Convention on the missional church. I’ll step away from my duties at MBU this week and hang with Ed for a few days. We will be using this as an ‘intensive’ to launch the directed studies.

Needless to say, I am humbled by this opportunity. When I think about my path to LTS, I would have never thought something like this would come out of my time there. When I think about my call to plant a missional community in the future, I am honored to be mentored under such a respected missiologist and experienced church planter and trainer. I thank the Lord for his providential ‘interruption’!

This will be one of the greatest challenges I’ve undertaken. Ed is going to work me hard. Believe me, I’ve seen the bibliography :) In fact, Ed joked that by the end of this process, I’ll probably be one of the smartest Masters level students ever in the area of missiology.

I would appreciate your prayers. The work begins today. My first paper is due in three weeks.

We interrupt this program…


extract’d

“…the lowest common denominator in all of the missional-incarnational practices is discipleship and the difficulty of discipling people in the midst of a consumerist culture. The story of the middle class in America is one of safety, security, comfort and convenience. In other words, American Christians have overwhelmingly chosen the story of the American way rather than the way of Jesus.”

-Brad Brisco from his “Alan Hirsch in New Orleans” entry from his blog, Missional Church Network


Starting a new thing here on the ‘ole blog: vodcasts. And to kick it off, a series on the book of Acts. And as I mention in the opening moments of the video below, I have like 28 series going on the blog. Not a great finisher. I do plan on wrapping up some of those in the near future. Really. I mean it.

I have a feeling that I might like this idea of vodcasts a lot. The only downside is you seeing my mug instead of my words. Oh well…

So here we go. Vodcast 1 on the book of Acts:


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